Friday 3 February 2012

Agnosticism / Atheism: Nicholas Pfab: Atheists Should Kill Themselves, Save Air for Others

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Nicholas Pfab: Atheists Should Kill Themselves, Save Air for Others
Feb 3rd 2012, 12:00

Nicholas Pfab: Atheists Should Kill Themselves, Save Air for Others

What would you think of a person who said to you that you should just kill yourself and save the air for others? Such a person definitely doesn't think very well of you and certainly couldn't be counted on to even be decent and civil, never mind helpful. Well, that would probably describe Nicholas Pfab, a Roman Catholic who wishes atheists all kinds of ill.

Posting on Twitter, Nicholas Pfab insisted that atheists had no reason not to kill -- not to kill themselves and not to kill others:

Nicholas Pfab: I suggest you kill yourself ...if you don't believe in God or meaning to life just kil yourself and save the air for other ppl [alt]

Nicholas Pfab: If there is no life after this why should we be nice to each other...who says we cant kill?

Nicholas Pfab: if there is no God there is no reason to be good or bad!

Nicholas Pfab: you people are so adamant about making people think there is no God and we are evil you just don't know when to stop

So, atheists are the "evil" ones which must mean that Nicholas Pfab is one of the "good" ones -- and "good" is somehow compatible with saying "I suggest you kill yourself." How "Catholic" is that, anyway?

The fact of the matter is, people don't need Pfab's god in order to have meaning in their lives. In fact, gods are quite irrelevant because nothing outside of you can impose meaning on your life for you. It has to come from within, regardless of whether any gods exist or not.

And if Nicholas Pfab thinks that an absence of gods means that killing is OK... well, that's just a bit scary. I'm not sure that I could trust a person who is only "good" because they are promised a reward for goodness and/or are promised eternal torment for being bad. That's not morality, that's just submitting to authoritarian threats.

It's true, I'm happy that Nicholas Pfab isn't going around killing, whatever the reason, but he doesn't appear to have a reason that's very trustworthy or reliable. I'd rather he not kill me because he honestly doesn't want to, not because of threats about what will happen if he does. A person whose only reason not to kill is because of orders from a god is a person who will kill because of orders from a god.

Naturally atheists on Twitter were critical of the idea that they had no reason to not kill others, and Pfab reacted... well, he wasn't receptive to the possibility that he might be mistaken:

Nicholas Pfab: You lose an argument then go to name calling! F**k you atheist piece of s**t and rot in hell

Nicholas Pfab: F**K YOU AND ROT IN HELL BI**H!

Nicholas Pfab: enjoy your short life...I suggest you live somewhere cold bc you will all eternity to enjoy the heat #burn

Nicholas Pfab: take a step back...take a deep breath and LITERALLY F**K YOUR OWN FACE ATHEIST BI**H!

Such reactions might be understandable when one comes in for sharp criticism, but that last comment was in reply to someone saying "It's evolution dude. Those societies that cooperate survive. It's not in the best interest of society to kill." So what we're seeing is some pretty extreme hate and anger at just about any expression of disagreement.

Yet, it's still atheists who are evil and bad and lost:

Nicholas Pfab: if you were once catholic you know God is the truth and you are just denying it to yourself...you knkw God exists...your scared

Maybe Pfab is just projecting?

I can't say that I'd rate his overall reasoning skills very highly:

Nicholas Pfab: i feel like forcing you learn evolution and telling you it is the only truth is unconstitutional. I should have a choice to believe in evolution or special creation, but public schools/universities refrain from giving you the option to choose by forcing you to learn and believe that evolution is right and there is no God.

This is taking away my right to choose what I want to believe and also feel it is an establishment of religion, that religion being a type of atheism, that is worshiping science...

No, schools don't deny anyone the ability to believe something. School simply stick to teaching science in science classes instead of teaching religion in science classes. It's pretty warped to think that because science classes teach science instead of Sunday School lessons, they are somehow teaching you that "there is no God."

But maybe Nicholas Pfab's inability to discern the difference between teaching science and forcibly imposing atheism lies at the hear of his inability to understand that atheists are decent human beings. Unfortunately, I can't figure out what could possibly produce such egregious errors in reasoning, so I have no idea how to correct the even worse errors he makes when it comes to the nature of atheists.

Some people just can't be reasoned with, I guess.

How do you react when a Christian presumes to tell you that they are more moral than you because they believe in God and you should just kill yourself? How do you rebut the hate mongering of claiming that atheists have no reason to be moral?

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