Wednesday 29 February 2012

Agnosticism / Atheism: Forum Discussion: Prove the Existence of a Historical Figure

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Forum Discussion: Prove the Existence of a Historical Figure
Feb 29th 2012, 08:00

When atheists express doubt over the existence of Jesus, a common rejoinder from Christians is to ask if atheists can prove the existence of any famous person from ancient history. If there is no better proof for the existence of someone like Plato or Alexander the Great, then why express any serious doubt over the existence of Jesus? The problem with this argument is that the evidence for other commonly accepted figures from ancient history isn't as poor as it is for Jesus -- and, moreover, no one is basing their lives or souls on the existence of any of them, either.

A forum member writes:

Aside from the assertion that people with supernatural abilities don't exist, there is a reasonable argument against the existence of Jesus based on the lack of contemporary biographers, the lack of Roman records detailing the adventures of this charismatic fella, contradictory accounts and so on.

I was curious as to if there was any other famous historical figure who also has dodgy evidence regarding his/her corporeal presence, but since he/she didn't ascend into heaven as god or turn Evian into a Chablis, is not scrutinized with such exacting rigor and is considered to be real.

My first thought is: no. But I could be wrong.

I don't think that there are any examples of this, either -- but even if there were, what would the impact be? In most cases, it wouldn't matter much at all. No one's life would be devastated or significantly changed if something like this happened. Can you think of any historical figures that would fit in this category? If so, comment here or post in the forum.

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Agnosticism / Atheism: What's Hot Now: Does God Exist? Arguing for and against Gods

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Does God Exist? Arguing for and against Gods
Feb 29th 2012, 11:08

Does God Exist?

What are Arguments for or against gods?

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One of the most common discussions on this site is, unsurprisingly, about the possible existence of any gods. "Does God Exist?" is a common topic not just around here, but all over. Most assert that some god definitely exists, a few question that claim, and fewer still aggressively assert the opposite.

In all such discussions, you will find the same basic arguments repeated over and over. There is a limited number of arguments offered for and against the existence of gods, although there are certainly variations and ways to make old arguments look new. For that reason, it is a good idea to familiarize yourself with the most common - this will make it easier to deal with them when you encounter them.

What is God?
Because of the fundamental importance of this one issue to all general discussions between atheists and theists, it is critical that those who participate in such discussions have a better understanding of just what it is they are talking about and why. After all, what's the point of debating the possible existence of "God" if no one has tried to come to some sort of agreement as to what they mean by "God"?

Highlights:
•  God is Omnipotent
•  God is Omnibenevolent
•  God is Omniscient

Debating the Existence of God
It doesn't make a great deal of sense to start debating the existence of God before having a clear understanding of the nature of this debate itself. Being clear on what is being debated (God) is certainly vital, but no less vital are questions like whether there is any point to the debate in the first place, the "ground rules" for this debate, and the purpose for debating. Without having those in place, you're much more likely to just talk in circles and never get anywhere.

Highlights:
•  Does God Matter?
•  Burden of Proof
•  Why Debate God?

Arguments for Gods
Review of various arguments commonly used to support the existence of gods: cosmological arguments, design arguments, ontological arguments, and more. How are they structured and are any of them valid?

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•  What is the Cosmological Argument?
•  What is the Argument to Design?
•  What is Pascal's Wager?

Arguments against Gods
Review of various arguments commonly used to deny the existence of gods. None of them can disprove the existence of all possible gods, but they can be used to question the existence of very specific gods.

Highlights:
•  A Perfect Creator?
•  Omniscience vs. Free Will
•  Omniscience vs. Humanity

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Agnosticism / Atheism: What's Hot Now: Raising Godless Children

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Raising Godless Children
Feb 29th 2012, 11:08

Should I Raise my Kids as Atheists?:


Christians raise their children as Christians, Jews raise their children as Jews, and Muslims raise their children as Muslims, so doesn't it make sense that atheists raise their children as atheists? That might seem to be the case, but it doesn't make much sense after all. Children are already born as atheists â€" they have to be taught to believe in gods and to adopt religious beliefs. If you don't tell them that they should believe those things, then you are simply maintaining the status quo. In so far as it is even possible to raise a child "as" an atheist, nothing further is required. Raising Kids as Atheists

Infants and Uninformed Children are Atheists:


Do infants and very young children qualify as atheists? Most atheists will say so, working from the definition of atheism as “lacking belief in gods.” Theists tend to reject this definition, even if they don’t use the narrow definition of atheism as “denial of gods.” Why? If infants lack belief in the existence of gods, they can’t be theists - so why not atheists? Children are Born Atheists

Should Atheists Hide Religion From Their Children?:


Because most atheists are not religious, it is understandable that most atheists aren't going to make an effort to raise their children in an explicitly and deliberately religious environment. Atheists are likely to raise their children to be Christians or Muslims. Does this, then, mean that atheists are also trying to keep religion away from their children? Are they afraid of their kids possibly becoming religious? What are the consequence of hiding religion from someone? Hiding Religion from Children

What Should I Tell My Kids About Religion?:


When children are raised in a religious environment, what they are taught about religion is relatively obvious and organized â€" but what about kids raised in a non-religious environment? If you aren't specifically teaching your kids to believe in any gods or to follow any religious systems, then it may be tempting to just ignore the topic entirely. That, however, would probably be a mistake. Teaching Children About Religion

Godless Children & Family Religious Traditions: What Should Atheists Do?:


A difficult issue for godless parents raising their children without religion is the religious traditions in their extended families. If the parents themselves were raised without gods or religion, this isn't an issue, but most do come from at least marginally religious families which have at least a few religious traditions, even if it's merely to attend religious worship services on major holidays. The more devout a family is, the more difficult it may be to exclude yourselves and your children. Godless Children & Religious Traditions

Teaching Kids About Skepticism & Science: What Should Atheist Parents Do?:


Parents raising their children without gods or religion should teach them how to be skeptical, how to engage in critical thinking, and how to fairly apply the standards of reason and skepticism to religious and paranormal claims which they might encounter. They should also learn how to do so without necessarily attacking those who hold these beliefs. Sometimes there will be people who should be criticized personally, but it should not be the first or only tactic adopted. Teaching About Skepticism & Science

Godless Children and the Future of Atheism: Raising Godless Children:


It's a simple fact that the godless children being raised by atheists today are likely to be at the forefront of atheism in the future. What's not so simple is what godless parents are going to do about this - what do they want for their children, what sort of atheism do they want their children to express, and what sort of atheism do they want to see develop in the future. This, by extension, should affect what sort of community and society they live in in the future as well. Godless Children and the Future of Atheism

America's Godless Public Schools:


One of the preeminent battlegrounds for the Christian Right’s war on modernity is America’s secular public school system. The Christian Right cannot stand the fact that instead of infusing the entire curriculum with their brand of conservative Christian principles, the government maintains a neutral stance on religion with a secular system. The godlessness of America’s public schools is an advantage, not a defect. Public schools should be secular, not extensions of religious institutions. Godless Public Schools...

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Tuesday 28 February 2012

Agnosticism / Atheism: Defense of Godless Liberalism: Godless Liberalism, Godless Liberals, and America

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Defense of Godless Liberalism: Godless Liberalism, Godless Liberals, and America
Feb 28th 2012, 15:00

Godless liberalism might be defined as a liberal or progressive political perspective which doesn't rely on gods, divine revelation, or religion for its values, ideas, or policies. Because liberalism is hated by America's Christian Right, and godlessness is hated even more, the label godless liberalism is usually used as a form of attack or insult. Yet the label must be reclaimed because there is nothing about godlessness, liberalism or the combination which deserves derision or hostility.

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Agnosticism / Atheism: HIV & Islam

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HIV & Islam
Feb 28th 2012, 12:00

There is a growing epidemic of HIV in Islamic nations and the reason is largely Islam itself. The taboo against homosexuality and gay sex is so strong that political and cultural leaders are in denial about the problem -- and they don't seem much interested anyway in helping gays who are suffering from HIV.

What's more, those suffering have a strong incentive to be in denial themselves and not seek what little treatment options are available.

They report in PLoS Medicine that the arrival of HIV in the gay community has been relatively recent compared with other regions of the world, but warn that it is on the rise. In Pakistan, for example, the prevalence of HIV in transgender male sex workers rose from 0.8 per cent in 2005 to 6.4 per cent just three years later.

A problem in much of the Islamic world is that male gay sex is illegal. That and homophobia hamper efforts to contain the virus by making gay men too scared to seek help. Abu-Raddad says that governments are managing "to deal with [HIV] discreetly" by inviting nongovernmental organisations to provide testing, counseling and treatment for gay men.

Source: New Scientist, August 6, 2011

Religion kills, but it doesn't always kill directly and overtly. Sometimes religion kills indirectly, as for example when a religious ideology prevents a person from doing what's obvious and necessary to preserve life or to save lives.

There are lots of examples of this when it comes to diseases -- especially diseases which religious leaders claim are some sort of punishment from God. There are also lots of examples when it comes to oppressed minorities who have attracted the ire of religious leaders.

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Agnosticism / Atheism: Comment of the Week: Secular Holidays for Atheists

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Comment of the Week: Secular Holidays for Atheists
Feb 28th 2012, 08:00

There's regularly discussion about creating secular holidays for atheists -- holidays that aren't based on religion or superstition. But perhaps there are already plenty of secular holidays out there? One reader provided a list of such secular holidays to argue that we already have a bunch.

What do you think?

Bill writes:

January 13 -- Ernestine Rose's Birthday
January 29 -- Thomas Paine's Birthday, Freethinkers' Day

February 12 -- Charles Darwin's Birthday, Darwin Day

March 14 -- Albert Einstein's Birthday, Pi Day
March 16 -- James Madison's Birthday, Freedom Of Information Day
March 16-22 -- Sunshine Week

April 1 -- April Fools' Day
April 12 -- Cosmonauts' Day, Yuri's Night
April 22 -- Earth Day

May's 1st Thursday -- US National Day Of Reason

June 21 -- World Humanist Day

July 1 -- Chevalier De La Barre Day
July 4 -- US Indivisible Day

August 11 -- Robert Ingersoll's Birthday, Ingersoll Day

September's Last Full Week -- Banned Books Week

October 12 -- Freethought Day

Novermber 7 -- Marie Skłodowska-Curie's Birthday
Novermber 7 -- Carl Sagan's Birthday
November's Last Full Week -- Church/State Separation Week

December 10 -- Human Rights Day
December 23 -- HumanLight
December 25 -- Isaac Newton's Birthday, Crispness, Newtonmas

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So, what do you think about these holidays -- do you think they are good holidays for atheists? Do you already celebrate any of them? If so, how? If not, why not -- what do you think these days lack that holidays need?

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Agnosticism / Atheism: What's Hot Now: Religion in Syria - Ethnic and Religious Opposition Movements

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Feb 28th 2012, 11:08

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Rivalry among the country's various religious and ethnic minorities has been a perennial source of instability in Syria. During the 1980s, the primary cause of conflict was domination of top-level political and military posts by the minority Alawi community to which Assad belongs.

More worrisome perhaps was intra-Alawi friction. For example, some Alawis honored the memory of former political figure Major General Muhammad Umran, assassinated in Lebanon in 1972, reportedly by Syrian agents. Likewise, some Baath Party members remained loyal to the faction Assad overthrew in his 1970 Corrective Movement. This group, named the 23 February Movement, supported ex-Party Secretary Salah Jadid, ex-president Nureddin Atassi, and ex-prime minister Yusuf Zuayyin - all three of whom were incarcerated in Syria. Assad has repeatedly, and unsuccessfully, attempted to negotiate with these figures, offering them freedom in return for their approval of his government. In many respects, the Assad regime was more concerned with the activities of the 23 February Movement than with the open revolt of the Muslim Brethren. Whereas the fundamentalists carried out terrorist attacks, the 23 February Movement staged several well-planned but abortive coup attempts in the 1980s and, because Umran and Jadid were Alawis, threatened to split the Alawi community.

On the other hand, Sunni Islamic fundamentalists have posed the most sustained and serious threat to the Baath regime. The government referred to these militants as the Muslim Brethren or Brotherhood (Ikhwan al Muslimin), although this is a generic term describing a number of separate organizations. The most important groups included the Aleppo-based Islamic Liberation Movement, established in 1963; the Islamic Liberation Party, founded in Jordan in the 1950s; Shabab Muhammad (Muhammad's Youth); Jund Allah (God's Soldiers); and At Tali'a al Muqatila (The Fighting Vanguard), established by the late Marwan Hadid in Hamah in 1965 and led in 1987 by Adnan Uqlah. The At Tali'a al Muqatila group, which did not recognize the spiritual or political authority of the exiled veteran leader of Syria's Sunni fundamentalists, Issam al Attar, bore the brunt of the actual fighting against the regime. In the early 1980s, the Muslim Brethren staged repeated hit-and-run attacks against the Syrian regime and assassinated several hundred middle-level government officials and members of the security forces and about two dozen Soviet advisers. The armed conflict between the Muslim Brethren and the regime culminated in full-scale insurrection in Aleppo in 1980 and in Hamah in February 1982. The government responded to the Hamah revolt with brutal force, crushing the rebellion by killing between 10,000 and 25,000 civilians and leveling large parts of the city.

On the third anniversary of the Hamah rebellion in February 1985, the government announced an amnesty for Muslim Brotherhood members. About 500 of the Muslim Brethren were released from prison, and those who had fled abroad were encouraged to return to Syria. As a result of the amnesty many members of At Tali'a al Muqatila surrendered to government authorities.

Following the Hamah uprising, extremist antiregime Muslim groups in Syria seemed fragmented and presented little threat to the Assad regime. The next series of major antiregime terrorist attacks occurred when a truck exploded in northern Damascus on March 13, 1986, followed by explosions on buses carrying military personnel on April 16. A Lebanese, claiming he had been sent by the Iraqi government, publicly confessed to the March incident and was hanged. Outside observers, however, were unable to verify his or Iraqi complicity. Other potential instigators included Lebanese Christian groups (in retaliation for the Syrian role in artillery shelling and car bomb explosions in East Beirut), PLO factions such as al Fatah, and Israel.

Despite these dangers to Syrian internal security, the overall situation in the mid- and late 1980s was stable compared with the situation between 1946 and 1970. The traditional centers of dissatisfaction - students, labor unions, and dissident Communist Party organizations - were thoroughly infiltrated by Syrian security personnel and in early 1987 posed no significant threat to the government. However, Syrian society is a mosaic of social groups whose interests and loyalties have often conflicted. President Assad, more than any leader in the Syria's modern history, has been able to focus these conflicting interests and loyalties on national goals. Nevertheless, centrifugal forces, such as sectarianism, persisted in this volatile Arab nation, and the armed forces will probably long remain the ultimate arbiters of power.

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